In this episode Judith Germain speaks with Joe Lawrence in which Joe explains that leaders are teachers first. Judith and Joe discuss their different approaches on teaching leadership. How do you climb the mountain top? Joe ponders and explains.

Joe Lawrence is an Air Force Training Director and is the Founder of Inspire Tomorrow Media. He helps his clients to become an expert in your current role and prepare for the next one with his 3 phase plans.

His website can be found here and his LinkedIn profile here.

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